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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2008, 01:24:54 AM »
Robots without some kind of organic controller? Not possible.

Cyborgs. Yes those are possible. Must be human first, then chips implanted etc etc etc....

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2008, 02:11:06 AM »
And... the Soviet Union has dissolved Ruzu... :p

That's sort of a moot point. He could have put Aeria in there, and it wouldn't really affect his argument.

The only ethical issue I see is how such beings would be treated.

I guess I find this an interesting thing to consider. On some level, I don't see how it deserves any more consideration than how we take care of our computers, or perhaps how we treat our pets. I guess this is just one more reason I doubt we'll ever get to the point where we can create humanoid beings, and part of the reason I hope we don't. But if human beings built the thing and are reponsible for its intrinsic value, how can it possibly be deserving of more rights than technology/pets?
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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2008, 10:25:19 AM »
Well, if we build robots allowing them to have feelings and pain-awareness, then yes, it becomes a very large ethical issue. With an emphasis on the if. It is also possible the either they get used to be almost similar to humans or they realize how we treat them. Either way, we may have a movie-like situation. And forget about them having some kind of gratitude for having being built, since that's part of their "birth" and again, real intelligence can't some from birth. Even your own computer you need to install stuff in it and fill your hardrive.

If we don't then there shouldn't much of a problem. You can bash your computer for as long as you want, as long as you don't break a wire/cut a circuit somewhere there won't be anything changing right? People may start to get attached to them, of course, but it wouldn't be true that it even realizes what you are doing is wrong.

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2008, 02:44:25 AM »
I'd just as soon leave religion out of the arguement.  And... the Soviet Union has dissolved Ruzu... :p

The only ethical issue I see is how such beings would be treated.

Ah sorry its mostly an example, to help get my point across.

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2008, 06:37:31 PM »
Dunno, looking back on it, I'd say those odds are accurate regardless.


That's another point.  Why would we create thinking, feeling machines to begin with... and then abuse them?

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2008, 10:43:32 PM »
Dunno, looking back on it, I'd say those odds are accurate regardless.


That's another point.  Why would we create thinking, feeling machines to begin with... and then abuse them?

Because we can. (Or we want to see if we can.)
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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2008, 07:55:04 PM »
Or even simpler: Because the people who create them do not have to be the same people who abuse them.

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2008, 12:31:29 AM »
Well, more to the point: why create thinking, feeling machines to begin with?

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2008, 12:57:50 AM »
Customizable companions? :P

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2008, 06:10:44 PM »
I'm sure my thoughts went to the wrong place there, but honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that became a market of its' own.   ::)

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2008, 08:15:24 PM »
Weird, this is the second time today where I make a mention of it, but isn't the show "Chobits" about something like that?

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2008, 10:10:19 PM »
Basically, yes.

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2008, 10:29:22 PM »
*amused* I can't imagine a scenario in which I wouldn't say, 'at least they're not using humans.'
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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2008, 10:54:06 AM »
Actually, they already have a word for it.  Robophilia.  If that's any indicator.

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Re: Self-aware machines.
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2008, 11:16:13 AM »
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Robophilia.

GACK! Scary. What's wrong with people?
This might hurt, it's not safe / But I know that I've gotta make a change / I don't care if I break,
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