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Material Possessions
« on: September 09, 2013, 04:14:19 AM »
Many religions and beliefs have preached about the evilness about people having a sentimental disposition towards material possessions. Many conspiracies have stated that the government is trying to corrupt society with capitilisim, and try to get money so they can get power etc.
They claim that the material possessions disrupt the soul's purity and can corrupt a person's mind. There seems to be a lot of converversy about material possessions.

What are other's opinions about this topic?

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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2013, 04:58:46 PM »
Sentimental disposition towards objects as in emotionally attached to them? Or have I missed what you really meant?

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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2013, 09:53:43 PM »
Can it corrupt your mind? Yes, obviously.
But there are two sides of the coin.

Material possesssions are a security for your (and your families/friends) future.
You own xy, so you can be sure that you can have it when you need it.
Owning nothing makes you dependent on others, even more in our specialised world in which you are unable to do everything yourself.
(That's btw one reason religions love to preach that, it makes people more dependent on them)

Would we be better off in a society without any material possession?
Difficult to say, I don't think it's the aspect that will make or break a good/bad society.
I think you could have a great society with material possession as well as one without it.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 10:22:54 PM »
Sentimental disposition towards objects as in emotionally attached to them? Or have I missed what you really meant?

Yeah, that's essentially what I meant.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2013, 10:52:55 PM »
Sentimental disposition towards objects as in emotionally attached to them? Or have I missed what you really meant?

Yeah, that's essentially what I meant.
Ah okey, my answer was more about property.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2013, 11:30:09 PM »
Ah okey, my answer was more about property.

I guess property would count as a material possession, because it is something we own that is of a physical substance, we have to pay money for it and we own it just the same as if we owned a book or another object.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2013, 02:24:03 PM »
Ah okey, my answer was more about property.

I guess property would count as a material possession, because it is something we own that is of a physical substance, we have to pay money for it and we own it just the same as if we owned a book or another object.

I wouldn't call that emotional attached though, that's something different.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2013, 03:07:46 PM »
I actually have a lot to say on this subject, but I can kind of exhaust myself doing so. :/ I'm definitely cool with seeing this thread get a little more action, though.

Invasive Plug: The indie game, Fleuret Blanc, is all about the semi-subtle exploration of why people possess things, and what it says about them.

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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2013, 02:44:44 AM »
I wouldn't call that emotional attached though, that's something different.

I guess, I still liked your explanation about property ownership though.

I actually have a lot to say on this subject, but I can kind of exhaust myself doing so. :/ I'm definitely cool with seeing this thread get a little more action, though.

Invasive Plug: The indie game, Fleuret Blanc, is all about the semi-subtle exploration of why people possess things, and what it says about them.

I'll have to look into that, it sounds interesting.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2013, 07:14:44 PM »
I wrote a longer wall of text but I threw that out. Trying something new: being more succinct! (⌒▽⌒)☆

1. Emotional Attachment to an Object (e.g. picture of a deceased loved one)
I wouldn't throw out a picture! Time will dull my attachment anyways; unrelated furniture and belongings may go, but the pictures and their associated memories I want to keep.

I need them to remember. To truly remember. Because, the sad truth is I will forget everything but the husks of memories. I might even forget what he/she looks like and be forever stuck with a vague image of someone I once knew. So I refuse to throw away these pictures because, one day, I want to revisit them. I want to remember.

2. Attachment to Material Possessions (e.g. money -snip- & stuff money buys . -snip-)
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I don't even like the word pure! At some point, purity somehow became related to naivete in some sense! I don't really think that just because someone is corrupt or impure that he/she is a bad person. I think it's just people being people. It's just how I see the world I suppose. If it is so, then it is so. If it happens, it happens. It's just how it is!


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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2013, 07:27:50 PM »
2. Attachment to Material Possessions (e.g. money)

I don't consider money in the same category as Material Possessions. It can be, in a rare sense, but they are different beasts altogether. I could rant about this in length, really, but I'll follow suit and be succinct.

Money is potential. It can become goods (like Material Possessions) or services, which are quite the opposite of Material Possessions. It has EVERY purpose, almost, and is more of a concept than a physical object (especially now, considering electronic money and the fact that any stable currency relies solely on the faith of the community).

Possessions are the penultimate form of Waste. They are what money has the potential to become, but in order for a Possession to do anything other than its primary function (hammers hammer nails), it has to revert back into money (potential) and be exchanged for a new Possession. The reversion occurs at a loss of money (which I consider potential), because every object depreciates in value once purchased.

Money depreciates in value (inflation, for lay economists), but at an intensely lower rate. More importantly, a Possession loses value immediately upon purchase; a $500 television is worth less than $500 after you buy it. But if you get $500 and keep it as $500, it will be worth almost exactly $500 for years. (It's why people save money in banks and not loaves of bread or chairs.)

Someone who has a $10 toaster can make toast. Someone who has $10 can potentially make toast, or a million other ten-dollar activities.

I latched on to only that one thing you said. XD Sorry.
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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2013, 08:03:43 PM »
I latched on to only that one thing you said. XD Sorry.

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Re: Material Possessions
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2013, 10:25:35 PM »
1. Emotional Attachment to an Object (e.g. picture of a deceased loved one)
I wouldn't throw out a picture! Time will dull my attachment anyways; unrelated furniture and belongings may go, but the pictures and their associated memories I want to keep.

I need them to remember. To truly remember. Because, the sad truth is I will forget everything but the husks of memories. I might even forget what he/she looks like and be forever stuck with a vague image of someone I once knew. So I refuse to throw away these pictures because, one day, I want to revisit them. I want to remember.

I am very interested in this way of looking at it. Lately I have been reading Neil Young's autobiography, "Waging Heavy Peace". In the book he talks about a lot of things, but one thing he talks about are material possessions. He claims he is a 'Material man' meaning he likes to buy things. He justifies this explaining that he buys a new car when he releases a record, or something similar to that example.

One other thing I have been thinking about are material possessions that can provide you with insight. Some people claim buying more books, or more games or more entertainment providers is bad. But if that book you read made you think about something you never thought about before, or that game made you cry, then would it be evil to have bought it?

Some people who preach about the evilness of material possessions preach that everything is evil, but I think maybe just some useless things (that don't provide you with insight) are suposed to be deemed as 'evil' instead. But I sometimes find that having an old object (That is useless) can sometimes have a special aura around it, a feeling of life or someone else. Because it went through so much. But that's just side ranting there.
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