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Title: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 04, 2008, 01:13:17 PM
Oh, so here I am with my shitty music skills, attempting to write songs... and guess what? It totally went the wrong way.

This is a very short bit, since I want some criticism before I even think about continuing. It's loopable, so I guess that's a good thing.

http://www.box.net/shared/q63u7cgt1k (http://www.box.net/shared/q63u7cgt1k)

Tell me what you think. Honestly.
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Reives on October 04, 2008, 01:16:47 PM
I actually really like that intro chord progression. However, I think it only suits as an intro or as later parts, not to be repeated without an intermediate chord or something. When the repeat of it came in with the flute and everything, it didn't feel right for some reason. I think after you finish the intro chords with the piano, the flute parts should start on another chord progression instead of the same one. c: Not always the case, but here it seems to be.

But yep, that's actually a neat chord progression. :reivsmile:
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 04, 2008, 01:20:03 PM
Cool. I've actually never tried to compose anything. Well, I have, but not of this genre anyways.
I agree that it was pretty plain. I'm not very familiar with chord progressions. You mean as the flutes don't carry the same notes as the piano? It's not like I have studied music, but I would surely like to improve, as it's such a fun thing, at least when you accomplish a nice tune.

Do you by any chance have any tips and tricks to improve composition skills? :vikonsmile:
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Reives on October 04, 2008, 01:26:17 PM
Oh, I meant that when the flute came in, it was following the same chord progression as the piano's at the first play of the same chord progression. As in Piano: Chord1->chord2->c3->c4, then repeat the same chord progression with flute and stuff with it. I think instead of starting from the same chord again as the piano, it might be more "catchy" per se, to start from another chord, and follow another chord progression. c:

As for the tips, mm, I think it's the best to use some cliche chord progressions and stick with them for some songs. That way, you don't have to worry about the chord progression technicalities, and can gain some practice on the general flow of melodies/rhythms and the like. After a while you become comfortable with those, and then you can factor in more original chord progressions.
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 04, 2008, 01:27:42 PM
Cool. Thanks a lot! I'll look into that.
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: abigailian on October 04, 2008, 01:40:03 PM
This is actually similar to Reives suggestions,

Do you have any of those books where they just have the melody with the chord names on top? Those are good for learning about chords. A chord progression means... well, a chord is two or more notes that give a kind of 'context' to the melody. It's not really harmony, because it's just the background mostly. A chord progression just means chords you play in a certain order. I'd give you the chord progression you had, except it is kind of hard to describe unless you already know something about them.

This is really pretty, but I think while you're learning, try just playing the white keys. If you want to make something that sounds like this, but more pleasant (the flute threw in a couple of strange notes in there, which is, I think, at least part of why Reives said it didn't sound right.)

If you want to try to expand this using the white keys, you can keep the same chord progression be playing A and E, G and D, F and C, then E and B.

Reives suggestion of starting a new progression might be a good one. At this point you have four measures and four chords that repeat, and that can get old real quick. Try making it an eight chord loop, and that will keep it fresh longer. Try jumping the chords around, instead of just going down the keyboard.

What do you know about music so far? I could probably help you better if I knew where you were. (And sorry if I totally misjudged you. All I had to go on in assessing your skill is what you said and a 20 second clip.)
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Ruzu on October 04, 2008, 01:48:59 PM
*listens to again and again* I really like how it sounds, only thing I had a problem with was that repeated sound at the end but it wasn't really anything wrong with it there.

In my opinion ;P
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 04, 2008, 01:51:43 PM
Thanks for your comment and help. It's really helpful to me.

What do you know about music so far? I could probably help you better if I knew where you were. (And sorry if I totally misjudged you. All I had to go on in assessing your skill is what you said and a 20 second clip.)
Well, this is sort of where I am at. What you heard in this clip will probably be about the best you will get from me at this exact point, which says a little of how bad I am currently.

Let me see... if I am to say exactly where I am at. The theory of music is kind of rusty, apart from length of notes, note names etc. In fact, I am even better at guitar tabs for some weird reason (I have never touched a guitar to learn). I guess this is because my brother plays guitar, and has done so for over ten years.

I took piano lessons for a year, but then I stopped. It's been four years since that time, so my playing has become very rusty, since I haven't kept it up too much, just some simple playing now and then.

Do you reckon I should be getting books for some decent self-study? Either way, can you recommend any material to use to get more knowledge of the actual theory, like as you said. I do have my previous piano books around, but the tunes in there are so boring, and well known it's really not any fun playing, but I reckon you're meaning I should look at how they connect the chords of some sort?

Quote from: Ruzu
*listens to again and again* I really like how it sounds, only thing I had a problem with was that repeated sound at the end but it wasn't really anything wrong with it there.

In my opinion ;P
Thanks. At least it isn't too bad, I guess.

- Sark
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: abigailian on October 04, 2008, 01:59:49 PM
You are extremely lucky if your piano books teach you chords. Most of the time, they'll talk a little bit about them, but only enough so as to tie it in to music theory. They mostly teach you how to play classical music, or just read sheet music. I would suggest finding a fake book, like this.
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 04, 2008, 05:57:23 PM
You are extremely lucky if your piano books teach you chords. Most of the time, they'll talk a little bit about them, but only enough so as to tie it in to music theory. They mostly teach you how to play classical music, or just read sheet music. I would suggest finding a fake book, like this.
Me? Finding a book? Oh god, I was hoping you had some suggestions :P

Anyway, here's a new attempt. It's still nothing special, I'm just trying to mess with the chords to improve my musical abilities. I used a scale of which I heard was named D# Japanese Scale. No idea what that means, but hey...

http://www.box.net/shared/o1zvq6lh57 (http://www.box.net/shared/o1zvq6lh57)

Helpful comments are always appreciated!
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: abigailian on October 04, 2008, 06:45:13 PM
Oh my goodness! I could have sworn I typed up about twice as much as that! I'll be back in a bit to listen to the new thing and try to catch up on what I missed in that last post!
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 05, 2008, 08:37:24 AM
Okay, so you might wanna scrap that second attempt, but I'll keep the link there just in case.

Here's a new little something. It's approximately a minute long, stops in the middle - it has no ending. I just didn't wanna make more just yet.

http://www.box.net/shared/u40dkefda7 (http://www.box.net/shared/u40dkefda7)

What do you think? I didn't mess too much with the sound, so it might sound pretty basic.

- Sark
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Reives on October 05, 2008, 07:24:25 PM
Ah, there are some cool things in that. For some reason though, everything felt great when they just entered - the intro with the string was a great atmosphere, and same with when the flute just entered. But soon after the entrance for each part, things becomes blurry as far as chord progression is concerned with - most noticeably with the flute. Still a cool effect though. c: I'd say that you've improved greatly from the first one.
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 06, 2008, 03:08:40 AM
Thanks! I'll try to work on that one to make it better. I find that hard  ::)
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 08, 2008, 07:00:50 AM
Here's a bump!

I believe this was originally done by Atelier Nonta (http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ateliernonta.com%2F&langpair=ja|en&hl=en&ie=UTF8), but I printed its sheet and tried to play it myself. Apparently, it was not as easy as I'd thought, which proves how bad I really am at this :P I used three tracks (2 piano tracks, 1 percussion track), whereas certain parts of it I had to record at a really slow tempo... :nds: Oh, and you can't use this, as there is no permission guideline on using new versions of Atelier Nonta's tracks.

http://www.box.net/shared/x144fe2x40 (http://www.box.net/shared/x144fe2x40)

Oh, and abi, have you forgotten to update your post or something? I was looking forward to that :'( :P
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: James QZ on October 08, 2008, 11:37:44 PM
Hi Sarkilas,

I liked how you opened with this piece. You made a nice calm entrance with the piano. Then when the flute and the strings came in, I was a bit confused. It seemed to me that the sence of direction was lost. Up to that point it was all fine. Also I have noticed the use of parallel 4ths (or is it 5ths), it sounds very medieval like. I'm not sure if your intention was to use the modes, probably not. Anyway, I think I'm going in too deep, I should stop. On the positive side, I really enjoyed your composition. If this was your first time, well, give yourself a pat on the back, because you deserve it!  :vikonsmile: Keep up the good work.

James
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Reives on October 08, 2008, 11:47:50 PM
^Oo, advice from James. :o
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: Sarkilas on October 09, 2008, 06:33:37 AM
Hi Sarkilas,

I liked how you opened with this piece. You made a nice calm entrance with the piano. Then when the flute and the strings came in, I was a bit confused. It seemed to me that the sence of direction was lost. Up to that point it was all fine. Also I have noticed the use of parallel 4ths (or is it 5ths), it sounds very medieval like. I'm not sure if your intention was to use the modes, probably not. Anyway, I think I'm going in too deep, I should stop. On the positive side, I really enjoyed your composition. If this was your first time, well, give yourself a pat on the back, because you deserve it!  :vikonsmile: Keep up the good work.

James
Thanks for your comment! Glad you enjoyed it. I'll have a look into what you mentioned and see if I can cook something new up :reivsmile:

^Oo, advice from James. :o
Is that uncommon? :P
Title: Re: Music attempt
Post by: abigailian on October 12, 2008, 05:23:10 PM
Yeah, I think part of the problem with the flute was that it was playing the fifth of the chord as the bass, and that doesn't usually sound very good.