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Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Moogigoth on December 15, 2011, 06:00:35 PM
I know I'm new and haven't really contributed much to the boards, but has anyone on here heard about the Stop Online Piracy Act? It hasn't been covered a lot on news networks but it's being touted as crippling both the internet and the first amendment.

Here's some info about it:

http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/why-sopa-is-unconstitutional.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (http://boingboing.net/2011/12/15/why-sopa-is-unconstitutional.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

http://americancensorship.org/ (http://americancensorship.org/)

There are a lot of other sites about it as well.

If this is the first time you've heard about it and you're an American citizen like me I urge you to email your representatives and let them know how you feel about it. It has potentially far reaching consequences for the internet outside of the United States as well.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Thunderbird on December 15, 2011, 06:36:27 PM
Ya, we have a topic about it in the General Board
http://freebirdgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=3461.0 (http://freebirdgames.com/forum/index.php?topic=3461.0)

I've also send an email despite the fact I'm not an American citizen, as I think this is something that does matter for all of us.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Moogigoth on December 16, 2011, 10:45:31 AM
Thank you for the heads up :) I didn't check. I figured it would have been on the serious topics board.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Crusism on December 28, 2011, 12:46:44 AM
Here's the Petition:

http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?slideshow (http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet/?slideshow)

SOPA and Protect IP Act must be stopped. Sign for what the Internet stands for and what it has helped with! Past, present and future.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Thunderbird on February 19, 2012, 08:08:24 AM
I think this video tells a lot about why the current patent and copyright system is crap.
Everything is a Remix Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq5D43qAsVg#ws)
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Stardale on September 29, 2012, 06:26:39 AM
Guess what, everybody! Here's something that you might want to read.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57522609/facebooks-like-may-land-filipinos-in-jail/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57522609/facebooks-like-may-land-filipinos-in-jail/)

And it's infuriating. Something like the SOPA and PIPA (a probably harsher law than those I have mentioned) was recently signed into law in the Philippines. /sigh


I'm beginning to feel everybody's sentiments on this one.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Unimaginative Username on September 29, 2012, 08:21:13 AM
Well that is just ridiculous. It doesn't even seem like you could even justify the creation of a law like that.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Just Lance on September 29, 2012, 09:09:34 AM
World is going crazy. That's what Mayans were trying to say. There will be destruction of the world. The world called Internet.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Vasha on September 29, 2012, 11:33:58 AM
Ouch! I feel sorry for you, Star!

In other news, spam is a crime now?
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: atommo on September 29, 2012, 04:11:41 PM
Surely if the world does get the internet censored then someone somewhere, if not a group of people, will set up an inter-network that is uncensored and then there will be a mass migration. I can imagine it being like Wikipedia. It starts off small but at a certain stage it really takes off with more and more people adding to the new network. It could be like a revolution of the internet, one without the interference of companies or governments and even if they tried to interfere it would be difficult since it would be more like an underground network that is anti-government.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Judedeath on September 30, 2012, 03:27:17 AM
Surely if the world does get the internet censored then someone somewhere, if not a group of people, will set up an inter-network that is uncensored and then there will be a mass migration. I can imagine it being like Wikipedia. It starts off small but at a certain stage it really takes off with more and more people adding to the new network. It could be like a revolution of the internet, one without the interference of companies or governments and even if they tried to interfere it would be difficult since it would be more like an underground network that is anti-government.

You mean possibly like a Tipping Point?
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: atommo on September 30, 2012, 05:52:38 AM
You mean possibly like a Tipping Point?
Pretty much.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Stardale on September 30, 2012, 05:56:40 AM
It could be like a revolution of the internet, one without the interference of companies or governments and even if they tried to interfere it would be difficult since it would be more like an underground network that is anti-government.

We certainly need this, as there are some government officials who really make laws in the internet as a form of politicking.


@Vasha: Whoops, that's a dangerous semantic mistake I made. I've already edited it.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Zeriab on September 30, 2012, 08:08:39 AM
I am sure some SOPA like legislation will be tried again.
SOPA was after all dead from the start, not because of the privacy, but because of some technical consequences like preventing DNSSEC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System_Security_Extensions) from working properly. This made quite a few previously supporters work to prevent SOPA.

Maybe I'm pessimistic for thinking they'll try again with something that doesn't work against making the internet more robust.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Dr. Zooks McCoy on October 01, 2012, 01:26:22 PM
I'm still wondering what happened to megaupload.com (http://megaupload.com). :(
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Judedeath on October 01, 2012, 02:46:29 PM
I'm still wondering what happened to megaupload.com ([url]http://megaupload.com[/url]). :(


http://gizmodo.com/5877612/feds-kill-megaupload (http://gizmodo.com/5877612/feds-kill-megaupload)
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Dr. Zooks McCoy on October 01, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
I meant why. Why and how, government! I thought we stopped SOPA already.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Tumbles on October 02, 2012, 06:28:56 AM
Holy crap.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57522609/facebooks-like-may-land-filipinos-in-jail/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57522609/facebooks-like-may-land-filipinos-in-jail/)
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: atommo on October 02, 2012, 07:12:53 AM
It really is disturbing how corrupt some governments are.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: umbrellaeinheit on October 02, 2012, 08:54:54 AM
It really is disturbing how corrupt the internet is.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Ferdk on October 02, 2012, 09:32:00 AM
It really is disturbing how corrupt the world is.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Unimaginative Username on October 02, 2012, 11:32:46 AM
Is now a bad time to say I don't find it disturbing? Because I don't. :p
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Dr. Zooks McCoy on October 02, 2012, 11:40:52 AM
It is really disturbing how undisturbing The-PurpleOrange finds this.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Judedeath on October 02, 2012, 11:57:54 AM
It is really disturbing how undisturbing The-PurpleOrange finds this.


It's because he's from the land of cameras.

WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM#ws)

I can't believe I haven't posted this vid yet.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Dr. Zooks McCoy on October 02, 2012, 01:20:17 PM
Aw, Jude, you broke the combo! Also, like the video. The internet should be free for everybody, free to access, freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom to worship a flying spaghetti monster, etc. I hope the American government never gets away with passing anything like SOPA.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: umbrellaeinheit on October 02, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
It really is disturbing that he broke the combo.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Judedeath on October 02, 2012, 01:31:49 PM
Air combo breakers!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjXTOdr095Y#)
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Question Mark on October 02, 2012, 02:43:23 PM
Holy crap.

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57522609/facebooks-like-may-land-filipinos-in-jail/[/url] ([url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57522609/facebooks-like-may-land-filipinos-in-jail/[/url])
That's kind of the exact link that Stardale posted a page back when he (legally) necro'd this thread. Just saying. I'm not implying that you may probably sue me with the new law because it's lolambiguous. Don't even think about it. Just think happy thoughts.

P.S. Great, even the Debates section is no longer immune to threaderailitis.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Dr. Zooks McCoy on October 02, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
P.S. Great, even the Debates section is no longer immune to threaderailitis.

Aaahahahahhh!
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Tumbles on October 02, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
I'm sorry!  :o Lock me up forever and throw away the key.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Unimaginative Username on October 02, 2012, 06:51:23 PM
I'm sorry!  :o Lock me up forever and throw away the key.

I'm afraid that isn't secure enough; I will melt the key down and sell the metal to a scrap merchant so there is no risk of someone finding the key and aiding your escape. I would also be able to buy a drink with the raised funds.
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Dr. Zooks McCoy on October 02, 2012, 09:29:52 PM
IRON MAN 3 LEAK, FILIPINO GANGNAM STYLE & CYBER CRIME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZVEFrvz6Ac#ws)
Damn it, government! (story is at like, 22 seconds)
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Vasha on November 28, 2012, 05:28:41 PM
Did any of you know about the Cybersecurity Act of 2012?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/not-cispa-revised-senate-cybersecurity-bill-praised-by-civil-liberty-advocates/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/not-cispa-revised-senate-cybersecurity-bill-praised-by-civil-liberty-advocates/)
http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/senate-votes-against-cybersecurity-act-of-2012/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/senate-votes-against-cybersecurity-act-of-2012/)

It's gotten shot down, but I hadn't even heard anything about it until right now when I'm researching to do a paper on internet legislation. All of these laws are making me dizzy! D:
Title: Re: SOPA
Post by: Judedeath on November 28, 2012, 05:36:18 PM
Fun Fact, in Canada PIPA is Personal Information Privacy Act
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Alterus on January 03, 2013, 07:05:31 AM
I am not sure what is the actual situation now in the Western world. They say you can have problems with pirated software or other content on your PC. As I hope to get a scholarship to study in Europe, this actually scares me >_> I do not legally own anything from what I have now on my computer - movies, music, programs - except for like ~2% of my music.

Here, nobody cares. At all. The government tried to block a free-download site (ex.ua), where you can get almost any content for free (and with cracks for programs/games). Popular protests and hacking attacks on the law-enforcement sites made them stop, and Ex is now working again. /methinks this is cool.
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Thunderbird on January 03, 2013, 08:41:06 AM
I am not sure what is the actual situation now in the Western world. They say you can have problems with pirated software or other content on your PC. As I hope to get a scholarship to study in Europe, this actually scares me >_> I do not legally own anything from what I have now on my computer - movies, music, programs - except for like ~2% of my music.

Here, nobody cares. At all. The government tried to block a free-download site (ex.ua), where you can get almost any content for free (and with cracks for programs/games). Popular protests and hacking attacks on the law-enforcement sites made them stop, and Ex is now working again. /methinks this is cool.

In Germany you could have problems, if you share files online with a lot of people (like p2p filesharing). But a lot of people still have tons of illegal stuff, that shouldn't be a problem. In my opinion not everything of this should be illegal. But unless you are broke, you should support at least something of the stuff you really enjoy imo. There is also some stupid crap like Gema blocking a lot of youtube videos (seriously, 9 out of 10 from the most clicked videos 2012 on youtube were blocked. Maybe they want us to learn how to use proxys?) 
Title: Re: Re: SOPA
Post by: Alterus on January 03, 2013, 10:32:55 AM
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But unless you are broke, you should support at least something of the stuff you really enjoy imo.

Here is the problem: it is problematic here to obtain a credit card with an option to transfer money abroad. Requires hours of sitting in the queue and filling some paper stuff. Plus, Paypal is also not too widespread here, and many electronic content shops do not allow Ukrainians to buy the content (e.g. we only had iTunes Store launched LAST MONTH).

I do buy books or CDs if I really like the content after reading/listening for the first time, however.