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Title: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Vasha on October 05, 2009, 08:19:58 PM
So I've got a small question I wanted to see your guys' views on:

If something is not able to be bought, like it's not sold anymore (not just that you don't have the money), is it illegal to download it for free? The two things I could think this applies to mainly are music and video games (like emulators), but i'm sure it could apply to a lot of stuff.

I'm not really sure what I think right now, so I just want to hear what you guys think.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Raxus on October 05, 2009, 10:21:14 PM
This is horrible, but to truthful, I do it a lot... :-[
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Vasha on October 05, 2009, 10:23:50 PM
Do you think it's illegal, though? I mean, you can't get it anywhere. The point of having to pay for the music is so that you can support the person who made it. But if they no longer sell it...?
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Raxus on October 05, 2009, 10:26:19 PM
I never understood why it was illegal. I mean if you give a friend a CD and they rip it, then that's illegal. I think it's stupid.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Stardale on October 06, 2009, 06:48:10 AM
Illegal Downloading is a form of piracy. If you would do this, then you are like buying pirated DVDs, thus you are supporting piracy.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Amaranth on October 06, 2009, 08:29:02 AM
I admit it. I have a SNES emulator, along with a game that was fan-translated because it was never released outside of Japan. I wouldn't have downloaded this, but it's nigh impossible to find a working SNES these days---well, it has been for me---and the game in question is rare even in Japan. There are probably very few working copies of it to be had . . . you can't imagine how bad I feel about this, especially since I do NOT condone piracy. (In order to play Pokemon Yellow again, I bought an old Game Boy Color along with a copy of the game last spring. The GBC doesn't work perfectly, but I can still play the game.)  Hypocrisy really eats at the soul . . .

I should go to jail . . . :-[
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Stardale on October 06, 2009, 08:32:40 AM
@Amaranth: Well, now there is nothing better you can do but don't do it again.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Kirroha on October 06, 2009, 08:36:47 AM
I'm happy with Giveawayoftheday.com. ;)
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Amaranth on October 06, 2009, 08:41:55 AM
Stardale:

OBVIOUSLY I won't. Thanks for making me feel worse.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Just Lance on October 06, 2009, 10:15:07 AM
I'm a Liunux user and some of us are that opinion that you should share.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Raxus on October 06, 2009, 06:35:53 PM
Illegal Downloading is a form of piracy. If you would do this, then you are like buying pirated DVDs, thus you are supporting piracy.

Well, as long as the giver doesn't ask money for it, it seems fine with me.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Valtier on October 06, 2009, 08:32:47 PM
Talking from a gaming standpoint.

The slight hitch is that DRM affects legitimate customers more than pirates.  Pirates will always get around whatever DRM you include with the game,  In example:

I precently bought Loki in an RPG bundle pack.  After installing, I tried to run it and - surprise! - SecuRom copy protection.  If you don't know what SecuRom is, googling it and reading up on the debacle will probably change your opinion on DRM.  This is an older version of SecuRom thankfully, and is just a hassle to get around whether than being malware installed on your computer without your knowledge.  So apparently, it's detecting my DVD drive as a virtual drive.  No matter what I do, I can't actually run the game, I try everything.  So at what point was I supposed to give up and just torrent the game?  I think it's absolutely sad that I need to pirate games that I own these days because attempts to stop piracy only hurt customers, whereas pirates can obviously get past any and all copy protection anyway.

Why are pirated copies of games preferable to legitimately bought copies?  This is stupid.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Amaranth on October 06, 2009, 09:16:36 PM
^ Ouch . . .  :-[

@Raxus:

Even if you don't pay for a pirated DVD, you're depriving the people who had a hand in its creation of their well-deserved earnings.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Vasha on October 06, 2009, 10:48:24 PM
Talking from a gaming standpoint.

The slight hitch is that DRM affects legitimate customers more than pirates.  Pirates will always get around whatever DRM you include with the game,  In example:

I precently bought Loki in an RPG bundle pack.  After installing, I tried to run it and - surprise! - SecuRom copy protection.  If you don't know what SecuRom is, googling it and reading up on the debacle will probably change your opinion on DRM.  This is an older version of SecuRom thankfully, and is just a hassle to get around whether than being malware installed on your computer without your knowledge.  So apparently, it's detecting my DVD drive as a virtual drive.  No matter what I do, I can't actually run the game, I try everything.  So at what point was I supposed to give up and just torrent the game?  I think it's absolutely sad that I need to pirate games that I own these days because attempts to stop piracy only hurt customers, whereas pirates can obviously get past any and all copy protection anyway.

Why are pirated copies of games preferable to legitimately bought copies?  This is stupid.

But i'm talking about, what if it's literally impossible to get a copy of it? If they don't sell it at all, and the creator doesn't ask for money or sell it whatever. Is it still illegal if nobody really bothers about it?
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Raxus on October 07, 2009, 03:38:05 PM
^ Ouch . . .  :-[

@Raxus:

Even if you don't pay for a pirated DVD, you're depriving the people who had a hand in its creation of their well-deserved earnings.

Well then the basic Idea of Sharing, is pirating.... ::)
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Just Lance on October 07, 2009, 03:47:33 PM
^ Ouch . . .  :-[

@Raxus:

Even if you don't pay for a pirated DVD, you're depriving the people who had a hand in its creation of their well-deserved earnings.

Well then the basic Idea of Sharing, is pirating.... ::)

I don't take that personaly Raxus.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Raxus on October 07, 2009, 04:11:02 PM
I'm not, but still...
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Just Lance on October 07, 2009, 04:43:23 PM
I'm not, but still...

Now tell me is sharing of frewavre piracing... Because what you write up there isn't specified...  ::)
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Raxus on October 07, 2009, 04:51:48 PM
Downloading the free version of RPG Maker, music on Limwire or other places, free Youtube downloaders... Et cetera.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Just Lance on October 07, 2009, 04:54:21 PM
Downloading the free version of RPG Maker, music on Limwire or other places, free Youtube downloaders... Et cetera.

Erm... Linux Ubuntu, KMP, VLC, FireFox Et cetera Et cetera.
Title: Re: Illegal Downloading?
Post by: Legacyblade on October 11, 2009, 08:22:29 PM
My views on illegal downloading is this: if you like it buy it. That being said, there are some things you CAN'T buy anymore. No one makes a profit off of them other than some random guys on ebay (the ones who made the game and have it copywrited don't get anything when you buy a used version of their product from someone, if I am correct). In cases like this, it is totally ethical to download it illegally. Doing this is about as illigal as jaywalking, no one really cares if you download an old NES game (unless nintendo released it on the game boy advanced classic game collection or the Wii Store). Also, with songs and software, I think downloading a song is ok as long as you eventually pay for it. Software, however, is only ok if you want to see what the full version is like, and plan to pay for a legal version. I also ues cracks and keygens on a regular basis because a few of our computers keep dying, and we shouldn't have to pay for that software a second time. my 3 cents anyways.