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To the Moon - Discussions / Re: Memory Traversal/Reconfiguration, how does it work?
« Last post by Jesicani on August 21, 2014, 06:35:03 PM »
I didn't catch the "finalization" aspect in my playthroughs, that sounds really important, thanks Thunderbird!

Now it's just a question of how they finalize their work
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To the Moon - Discussions / Re: Name the song- Challenge!
« Last post by Dragon Mage on August 21, 2014, 03:10:36 PM »
I'm beginning to think that this tune is gonna be used in A Bird Story as a drousy morning kind of thing like when you just woke up. It definintly sounds like it. :deepstuff:
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Things I'm not too sure about

When doctors modify a patient's memory, any memories that take place afterwards will change to become consistent with the modified memory. If a change is inconsequential or does very little to affect one's desires, then no change will occur in future memories.
I think it's a bit more resistant to change than time travel stories, because the memories are kinda "written down" and so it's harder to change them.
But the butterfly effect might still apply, so that even random little changes might change a lot, although this wasn't shown in TtM.

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With Eva "moving" River from Johnny's memories to his newly reconfigured memories, I get the sense that the doctors are able to manipulate artificial memories with more ease than they can with the client's original memories.
I agree, rewriting is probably a bit harder then just writing.

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I'm not too sure if traveling to a patient's childhood memories are the only method in which a doctor can manipulate their client's memories. Though I don't have any proof to infer to, it seems reasonable to think one can begin modifying a client's memory at any stage in their development.
Beginning at the last memory is probably the easiest way to access.
As with any technology there should be progress of how many options are aviable.

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Doctors can reset a modified memory back to its original form without any harm to the client.
They are working with a "canvas" most of the time. So it's probably more like the RAM of your computer. The progress can be lost, if they quit before they finalize.
Resetting after finalizing would be way more difficult/dangerous then.

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My Crazy Theories

The barrier that protects mementos is the mind's natural defense to what is otherwise a very intrusive operation.

The first memento doesn't have a barrier to break because the client, albeit just a memory program, is willfully providing the memento him or herself.
They aren' that crazy, actually I think those are quite good theories.
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General / Re: What's on your mind?
« Last post by Ali on August 21, 2014, 08:44:37 AM »
Communications and Journalism for MA and BA.
Well, I was through a lot lately so this one seemed not that significant.
Plus I was the only who was sure that I'm going to get rejected, so I was not surprised.
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General / Re: What's on your mind?
« Last post by Question Mic on August 21, 2014, 07:57:05 AM »
I'm frustrated by your lack of frustration. jklolwtf

Anyway, what's your degree?
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Introductions & Farewells / Re: My Extra Special Return Thread
« Last post by Ali on August 21, 2014, 07:33:07 AM »
Welcome back. :)
And it is nice to see a new post by Elke too!
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General / Re: What's on your mind?
« Last post by Ali on August 21, 2014, 07:14:11 AM »
The Ph.D. interview results were out earlier than expected and I was rejected, as expected. :)
Let's see what happens next year.

Edit: I'm not posting this on frustration house, because I'm not frustrated, at least not because of this. :)
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To the Moon - Discussions / Re: Memory Traversal/Reconfiguration, how does it work?
« Last post by Jesicani on August 21, 2014, 02:48:32 AM »
Thanks Dragon Mage, that helped out tons!
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Good theories :fezesarecool: I'll share some things I know with you:
When new memories are created, they don't overwrite the old memories. This means if the patient ever woke up, the two sets of memories would cause conflict which could damage the patient mentally or something like that.
I'm not too sure about memory traversal myself but if you talk to Lily before you start, she'll ask how it works to which the two doctors will explain. I hope this helps you gather more information.
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To the Moon - Discussions / Memory Traversal/Reconfiguration, how does it work?
« Last post by Jesicani on August 20, 2014, 08:16:36 PM »
I'm trying to get some of my facts straight regarding how memory travel and modification work. I know for sure I missed out on quite a few things and I'm hoping some of you TtM smarties will help me out :)

I've organized my knowledge into things I know for sure, things I surmised, things I'm not too sure about, and theories I have.
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Things I know for sure (since they are either explicitly stated or presented)

Memory hopping requires the use of "mementos".

Mementos are protected by a barrier which requires five memory-links to break.

Agents/Doctors have the capacity to pause, reset, interact with, and move anything and everything within the memory they are currently viewing.

New memories do not overwrite old ones. Conflicting memories would then cause a patient to go mad or harm then mentally (Contribution thanks to Dragon Mage).

The machine comes with a "wiki of data" to help reconstruct new memories (Contribution thanks to Dragon Mage).

There is a finalization process. Doctors can perform a "safe reset" so long as they don't finalize the rewrite (Contribution thanks to Thunderbird)

Things I've surmised (through game-play generally)

Upon entering the client's memories, one will arrive in that client's most recent memory.

The initial memento provided by the client in his or her most recent memory will not require five memory-links.

The "preparation" of a memento becomes more and more complicated in conjunction with the number of memory hops a doctor (or two) has managed to achieve prior.

When interacting with other people in a client's memory, the behavior will conform to how the client would think they would act, rather than how they would actually act in reality.

Things I'm not too sure about

When doctors modify a patient's memory, any memories that take place afterwards will change to become consistent with the modified memory. If a change is inconsequential or does very little to affect one's desires, then no change will occur in future memories.

With Eva "moving" River from Johnny's memories to his newly reconfigured memories, I get the sense that the doctors are able to manipulate artificial memories with more ease than they can with the client's original memories.

I'm not too sure if traveling to a patient's childhood memories are the only method in which a doctor can manipulate their client's memories. Though I don't have any proof to infer to, it seems reasonable to think one can begin modifying a client's memory at any stage in their development.

Doctors can reset a modified memory back to its original form without any harm to the client. (Modification thanks to Thunderbird)

My Crazy Theories

The barrier that protects mementos is the mind's natural defense to what is otherwise a very intrusive operation.

The first memento doesn't have a barrier to break because the client, albeit just a memory program, is willfully providing the memento him or herself.

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That's pretty much all I know, or think I know. If something needs to be removed from the list, please tell me. If something needs to be added to the list, please tell me. If something needs to be moved from one part of this list to another part of this list, please tell me :)

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