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RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« on: December 24, 2017, 01:20:19 AM »
I want to finally buckle down and get started learning how to really use RPG Maker, and I'm curious which version is preferred.

MV works natively on my main OS (Linux), but I can run XP and VX Ace perfectly through either WINE or VMware, so that's not an issue.  Plus, thanks to the hard work of Ancurio and others, I know that no matter which one I use, any games I make should run natively...  :)

After playing around with it a bit, I like the three-layer system XP has a bit better than the automatic layering system of VX and MV so far.  It seems to give me better control over where things go.  I'm mainly concerned that I'll be missing out on features in the newer versions of RGSS and the new JavaScript-based language as I start scripting...

Also, are there any other features I'd be missing by going with XP?  For example, is there a hidden maximum of 2 autotiles in a map?  Can I only use MIDI-based music?  Will my game turn into a vicious were-platypus and slay me in the night?

So that's why I'm curious what this community thinks...
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Re: RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2017, 11:23:59 AM »
Hmm, your questions would be better answered by those who are more experienced, but I can say one thing, RPG Maker XP does support mid files for music, although I don't recommend using mid music.
Why? Because mid files require soundfonts to play, and RPG Maker XP use the soundfonts supplied by Windows, so when you port your game to Mac or Linux, you have to bundle a soundfont. There are soundfonts that sound very close to the one used on Windows, but I think it would be better to make an ogg or mp3 version of your music and make sure it sounds the same on all platforms.

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Re: RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 05:41:29 PM »
I'd say the biggest downside of XP is that it's designed to run on an ancient OS. It's controller support is limited (only supports direct input, whereas most controllers are xinput, and you have to configure them through an ugly windows dialog box) and games made in RMXP can run into issues on modern PCs. I imagine that issue is only going to get worse with time. So if you're going to learn an RPG Maker in the modern era, I'd go with MV. It's also incredibly difficult to find any RMXP tutorials or resources in this day and age, as most of the old links are dead. (Though I posted the ones I had archived on my PC somewhere on the forums)

That being said, I prefer XP. The three layer mapping system allows for more detailed and beautiful maps. I've never seen an RMMV game look as good as quintessence or TTM in terms of mapping. Also, as far as I can tell, MV doesn't let you switch between specific frames on a sprite sheet, which makes custom sprite animations much harder. (Though I'm sure you'd be able to get around that with a script or some eventing trick). I really wish they'd re-introduce XPs mapping system into a more modern RPG maker, as it really gives creators a lot of freedom.

That's my two cents anyways :3 Hope it helps you weigh the pros and cons of each engine.

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Re: RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2017, 10:35:01 PM »
I'd say the biggest downside of XP is that it's designed to run on an ancient OS. It's controller support is limited (only supports direct input, whereas most controllers are xinput, and you have to configure them through an ugly windows dialog box) and games made in RMXP can run into issues on modern PCs. I imagine that issue is only going to get worse with time. So if you're going to learn an RPG Maker in the modern era, I'd go with MV. It's also incredibly difficult to find any RMXP tutorials or resources in this day and age, as most of the old links are dead. (Though I posted the ones I had archived on my PC somewhere on the forums)

That being said, I prefer XP. The three layer mapping system allows for more detailed and beautiful maps. I've never seen an RMMV game look as good as quintessence or TTM in terms of mapping. Also, as far as I can tell, MV doesn't let you switch between specific frames on a sprite sheet, which makes custom sprite animations much harder. (Though I'm sure you'd be able to get around that with a script or some eventing trick). I really wish they'd re-introduce XPs mapping system into a more modern RPG maker, as it really gives creators a lot of freedom.

That's my two cents anyways :3 Hope it helps you weigh the pros and cons of each engine.

Yes, that was helpful, thanks.  :) At this point, I'm thinking I'll learn XP; because despite the challenges of having to hunt down tutorials that have disappeared over time, I think that its mapping system will allow me to create a higher-quality finished product in the end.

My understanding (I could be wrong) is that by using Ancurio's mkxp engine to actually run finished games, even on Windows, I can also overcome some of the restrictions that come with it being such an old engine.  If I recall correctly, it has support for XInput (it certainly wouldn't be using DirectInput on Linux...)

Hmm, your questions would be better answered by those who are more experienced, but I can say one thing, RPG Maker XP does support mid files for music, although I don't recommend using mid music.
Why? Because mid files require soundfonts to play, and RPG Maker XP use the soundfonts supplied by Windows, so when you port your game to Mac or Linux, you have to bundle a soundfont. There are soundfonts that sound very close to the one used on Windows, but I think it would be better to make an ogg or mp3 version of your music and make sure it sounds the same on all platforms.

Sorry, I worded that poorly. What I meant to say was, when asking about limitations, "Does RPG Maker XP only allow me to use MIDI music (and not allow me to use music in OGG/MP3/WAV/FLAC/etc.)?"  :-[

I wasn't actually planning to only use MIDI unless RPG Maker XP forced me to...  Thanks for the reply, though.

I had quite enough trouble playing with soundfonts when trying to get "Do You Remember My Lullaby?" to have its proper sound in Linux/mkxp.
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Re: RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 04:43:29 PM »
Sorry, I misread your post. Thankfully Ogg, MP3 and Wav are supported on RPG Maker XP, and WMA is supported but only on Windows, so for porting with mkxp you have to convert to one of the other aforementioned formats and codecs.

And you are right, Ancurio's mkxp overcomes several of RMXP's deficiencies, even on Windows. I don't use Windows so I'm not sure about Xinput support, but I saw people who had trouble with XBox controllers were able to easily use them with the alternative build of Finding Paradise, which uses mkxp.

And regarding DYRML, I had similar troubles while porting it to Mac. I ended up converting the mid files to ogg using the Toast Titanium software on Mac, which itself relied on Quicktime and its very similar soundfont. If I remember correctly, Apple and Microsoft got their soundfonts from the same source.
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Re: RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 01:55:59 PM »
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And you are right, Ancurio's mkxp overcomes several of RMXP's deficiencies, even on Windows. I don't use Windows so I'm not sure about Xinput support, but I saw people who had trouble with XBox controllers were able to easily use them with the alternative build of Finding Paradise, which uses mkxp.

That's pretty cool :3 Good to see someone keeping the XP engine alive.


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Sorry, I worded that poorly. What I meant to say was, when asking about limitations, "Does RPG Maker XP only allow me to use MIDI music (and not allow me to use music in OGG/MP3/WAV/FLAC/etc.)?"  :-[

Eli already answered your question, but I'll back him up. You can use OGG, Wav, and mp3 for sure. I don't think it supports FLAC, but I never tried it.

It's common practice to use OGG, especially for music that needs to loop cleanly. Sometimes mp3 will have a brief pause before looping, as RMXP loads the entire OGG file into memory before playing it. Though if you have a reaaaaaaly long music file, you should use mp3, as RMXP will sometimes crash loading real big OGG files.

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Re: RPG Maker XP vs. VX vs. MV?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2017, 01:25:43 AM »
It's common practice to use OGG, especially for music that needs to loop cleanly. Sometimes mp3 will have a brief pause before looping, as RMXP loads the entire OGG file into memory before playing it. Though if you have a reaaaaaaly long music file, you should use mp3, as RMXP will sometimes crash loading real big OGG files.


That's helpful to know; thanks.  :)

Definitely going to stick with good old Ogg Vorbis, then...
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