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Finding Paradise - Discussion / Re: Question about Colin and Faye
« Last post by Reives on Today at 07:10:49 AM »
Duo's last post actually hit quite on point.

It's likely my fault for not conveying it as clearly as in To the Moon (although FP's themes were more difficult than TtM), but from what I've seen so far, some of the core aspects of the story are often missed. Although Colin certainly wanted to see Faye again (part of the reason for the apartment and etc.), it was never his last wish. His last wish really was to be content, and be satisfied with his life. And as the doctors even concluded after the scene where Faye "left", not seeing Faye again isn't the "cause", but the "effect" of Colin's unhappiness -- after all, Faye was "expecting" Colin to have had a fulfilling life when she came to meet him, and he didn't have the face to "summon" her had he not.

Which is why that had the doctors not have come here, Colin wouldn't have come to the fulfilling sense about his life, and wouldn't have seen Faye again at the end. This might be one of the things about the story that might've been a bit tricky, but it was meant to convey that our sense of self doesn't exist in a vacuum. Although it's a bit of a simplification, "Happiness = Reality - Expectation" is fairly true in its core. As many studies show, we generally tend to be happiest when we're young, the least happy during the years of making lives for ourselves, and then happiest again during old age, no matter the condition and what we've done then. A part of the reason for it is the naturally process of coming to terms with ourselves once our ability to make further improvement is gone -- and it makes sense, as once we couldn't, there's no sense in having that drive and be driven mad with regrets.

However, the existence of Sigmund broke that natural process -- because with the knowledge of its existence and all the possibilities it offers, people are no longer having their ends tied in a bow by our cognitive mechanisms. When our expectation can be infinite, it doesn't matter much what our actual reality was. This might be mitigated to some extent by some folks, as the "reality" it creates isn't truly reality itself; but for a particular patient like Colin, who's already had the struggle between his actual reality and the "reality" that he created, the phenomenon came into full effect -- which was the underlying jump-starter of the story of Finding Paradise.

To Colin, Faye was a lesser and localized version of what Sigmund was in that regards, and eventually he/they realized that she had to leave. And when Sigmund came into existence and stepped into his mind, although Colin's conscious mind was too overwhelmed by the sense of regret that was the effect of Sigmund's existence to realize, his subconsciousness, and perhaps, Faye, eventually realized that it was something rather familiar. And like Faye, Sigmund had to leave -- and because it was an external existence, Colin's knowledge of it had to as well.
General / Re: What's on your mind?
« Last post by Dragon Mage on January 20, 2018, 11:05:52 PM »
Hey guys, just letting you know that I've been out of the country for the past week visiting family and will be back in a couple of weeks. :D Internet's rather shaky 'til then -- lots to catch up on afterwards! Hope all's been well~
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General / Re: What's on your mind?
« Last post by Reives on January 20, 2018, 06:01:15 PM »
Hey guys, just letting you know that I've been out of the country for the past week visiting family and will be back in a couple of weeks. :D Internet's rather shaky 'til then -- lots to catch up on afterwards! Hope all's been well~
Finding Paradise - Discussion / Re: Theories on Neil
« Last post by Adahn on January 20, 2018, 02:01:16 PM »
"One sentence that bugs me though "I think all our memories, and everything in it can be nothing but the fiction we tell ourselves." Does that implies something about the Inception theory? I can only wonder."

Possibly. That being said, it's a statement that actually makes a decent amount of sense (as far as I'm aware; I'm a bit backdated on the literature) given the contemporary literature on narrative identity, which basically suggests that we (our sense of self) is the product of a narrative/story we tell ourselves. Memory isn't infallible; it doesn't preserve. Some of the literature argues that we aren't so much recalling things as generating things.

In that sense, memory is like story-telling. It's how we make sense of the past, and feeds into the story we're telling of ourselves. So, I'm extremely fond of that quote because it's deflationary: it's not as if some memories are 'more real' than others or 'less real' than others. In the big picture, it's all about sense-making.

Disclaimer: I concede to any people working in psych or cognitive science. My field isn't psych or cog sci, though we often have to keep up on the contemporary literature from those fields. Any mistakes are my own.
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Finding Paradise - Discussion / Re: Question about Colin and Faye
« Last post by Leave Me Alone on January 18, 2018, 10:21:12 AM »
I didn't think that much of it. Even after 5 or so playthroughs I didn't get the inkling that the story in this FP was that complicated. It's one of the things that bugs me about this game. Ultimately I thought the prescence of the doctors and operation was entirely unnecessary, and that they being there changed nothing. This isn't Johnny who can't remember. Colin still remembers Faye, remembers their farewell, and remembers their promise. I didn't see anything that would suggest that Colin wasn't able to summon Faye back on his own. Which left the impression that if the doctors hadn't shown up at all, nothing would've changed. It makes the mission feel pointless.

I wouldn't say that Colin is overly imaginative. We don't know for sure because there is no comparison. In the game it is stated that the machine has some sort of stabiliser that checks the patients' memories against a public wiki of data, and then corrects the scene of the memory using what is factually known. This stabiliser was operational during Johnny's story, so we as the doctors didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Neil disabled it during Colin's op, which is what allowed him to mold the memory scenes and eventually led to Faye wracking havoc. @Dragon Mage, this is why Neil's overarching story must be present for the FP story to work, even if it detracts (although it probably could've been handled better). The FP story wouldn't have been possible without Neil's meddling.

And I disagree that Faye is out of Colin's control. He's not schizophrenic. He created her, he knows he created her, and he controls what she does. If he wants her to kneel she will. Because if she doesn't, he's schizophrenic.
Finding Paradise - Discussion / Have you ever faced it before?
« Last post by Grasping1 on January 18, 2018, 05:17:49 AM »
This might seem off topic, but I completed this game not long ago within a night's worth of time. It's left me deep in thought and I guess I felt the need to discuss it in some way due to the game it's self. I guess I feel as if I relate to some of these characters in some fashion like anyone else possibly would. Being an aspie, I felt I related to River already in "Too The Moon". I hope this doesn't all seem so long winded either because I just felt I wanted to express it. Even if it seems irrelevant.

As a child, I didn't have many friends either. I've been a social outcast my whole life. I did make friends in Jr High and it was there where it happened. I made friends. Along the way of all that, time had passed and most went on to high school while one of them and I remained. We had became best friends. This is where the relation comes to light in a sense. We eventually created guardian angels of a manner to speak. Imaginary friends that we could just joke around with and have fun. I took it a bit more serious than him. Acknowledging they weren't real, bit still being fond to them.

Through my life, I've kept them ever since. Without them, I wouldn't be half the person I am today. Always wanting to improve, become better at something, pushing forward while still always looking at my own little mistakes. Flaws that most people have throughout their life. I guess what I mean to say is, after all of that, it feels as if I have drifted apart from these "illusions" to a sense and want to know if others have had similar experiences. Despite the immaturity of it, I could never bring myself to just let them go however, they in a sense have told me that one day they might have to. That I won't need them anymore.

It seems so dumb discussing it cause who would listen to such a thing when it'd come off silly, let alone crazy? I'm at the age of 28 now... I believe I was 15 when they first appeared. They've always encouraged me to do the right thing, despite whether or not I wanted to and showed me the affection I'd never truly show myself. Pushing me forward to always improve in whatever manner I felt worth the time. But after all the time's passed, this game made me remember something that's always bothered me. When I'm gone, who will remember that part of this? The part of me that only I could really see, hear or feel? Much like Colin's Faye, they know they don't exist and that they're just a part of me.

Today, I have friends and people that care for me more than I could ever thought possible, even in a world that sometimes seems pretty damned bitter. I guess I just really wanted to express all this if anything due to obvious reasons. In a sense, it's been a burden of some form. So I guess that's why I felt the need to discuss it, if only here. I hope this hasn't been incredibly off topic, but I felt there was no better place to discuss it rather than here considering. Writing all this makes me reflect a bit. 14 years. Time passes too quickly.
Finding Paradise - Discussion / Re: Question about Colin and Faye
« Last post by Duodecim on January 18, 2018, 03:55:10 AM »
Hmm, so after thinking over this feverishly for a day, I think I understand now. Colin did have the ability to talk to Faye again. But, his promise with her was that at the end, they'd talk about the life he'd lived, and if I remember correctly, she had told him that he would have a fulfilling life. And if he hadn't known about SigCorp, that's exactly what he would have done, as he would've believed that he did have a fulfilling life.

But knowing about SigCorp changed things. Probably due to his innate tendency (and astonishing ability) to imagine a different world, he started to think about the regrets that he had, the things that he would fix if he could, which made him start to question whether he truly lived a fulfilling life or not. And that doubt kept him from bringing Faye back, because he really wanted to know that he had no regrets before he talked to her again.

That eventually brought him to SigCorp, to make sure that he did feel that way when he had that conversation, and it was why he didn't actually want to change any of his experiences (he never even asked for his regrets to be fixed). I think deep down he still knew that he didn't want a different life; he just wanted to feel differently about the life he lived and to be able to tell Faye that yes, he'd lived the life he wanted.

Now, conjecture time. We know that Colin wouldn't have signed the SigCorp contract without Sofia's agreement. What if Sofia had never agreed? Would Colin have brought Faye back eventually on his own anyway? I think there's a good chance that he would have, because even in the world where he didn't know about SigCorp, he still didn't bring her back until close to the end, at a point corresponding to the last accessible memory - in the real world, he didn't, because at that point he had already signed the contract and he would've expected to see her again post-operation. But if he hadn't signed the contract... maybe he would have, even if he knew about SigCorp, though that last conversation with Faye might have gone differently due to him having more doubts.
Finding Paradise - Discussion / Re: Question about Colin and Faye
« Last post by Tumbles on January 17, 2018, 09:31:13 PM »
Faye wasn't something under his control. Even if his conscious mind wanted to bring her back, his subconscious mind didn't and possibly couldn't.

She promised to come back, but he possibly lost the ability to communicate with her seriously as he aged and matured.
Finding Paradise - Discussion / Question about Colin and Faye
« Last post by Duodecim on January 17, 2018, 07:20:01 AM »
Just finished playing the game, and, well, once again Reives has succeeded in making me feel things that I didn't know it was possible for me to feel.

I do have a specific question, which is, why couldn't Colin bring Faye back on his own, without SigCorp? They had promised to meet again at the end of his life, and he was going to tell her about what had happened. But why didn't he?
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